ARCHIVE - 06/07/04 - 09/22/08
are you in analysis with a lacanian Sol?
Comment by alice — June 7, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
Sol - when you say “more unhappy”, is the actual wording standing for “more jouissance”?
Comment by violet — June 7, 2008 @ 6:41 pm
alice they were a ‘lacanian’ when i begun, but it seems things changed.
Comment by Sol — June 8, 2008 @ 11:14 am
Comment by Sol — June 8, 2008 @ 11:19 am
Sol - more than one in the US had to go through what you are describing - the analyst in problems with the School, thus turning away from Lacan - so you say, “I came to you because you brought yourself forward as a lacanian…” he doesn’t answer, “what are you?” if you are lucky he’ll say “I am a pragmatic” and now you know of what you are getting that these are his first steps into a new technique in which he is not even experienced…… difficult
Comment by violet — June 8, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
yes that’s it violet.
Put like that it makes me reconsider the place of the school.
I wonder whether it returns to a question of authorisation.
Comment by Sol — June 9, 2008 @ 9:13 am
The message-board is fixed and functioning as normally.
Comment by admin — June 10, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
I have been in problems in the matter of a school where to belong - there isn’t a school in the US -
Comment by violet — June 10, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
in any case Sol with lacanians you need the school, especially when it comes to choose an analyst
Comment by violet — June 11, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
I think you need the school too violet.
When an analyst leaves a school - especially suddenly
Sure you can ask ‘what are you now’
The rest I want to say is too personal for the messageboard
It is interesting to hear that this happens sometimes in the US.
Comment by Sol — June 12, 2008 @ 12:49 am
In my case of “many years into” what happened was he changed the technique
Comment by violet — June 13, 2008 @ 12:46 am
and I would like to ask you -did you start again, with another?
Thanks for speaking about this violet.
Comment by Sol — June 13, 2008 @ 1:45 am
yes, though “started” is not the word, the one I continued with made it very clear my analysis was finished and from now on it was the analysis of my own analysis. I even had a name of symptom I had given myself.
Comment by violet — June 13, 2008 @ 2:13 am
I have done a search of Psychoanalytic Electronic Publishing and found a paper of his
While there I downloaded a fairly extensive list of his papers and publications-
Comment by Sol — June 15, 2008 @ 11:27 am
That is inspiring violet
Comment by Sol — June 15, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Sol - we periodically archive the symposium - Carmen’s message is probably in there: where it says “archive”
Comment by admin — June 15, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
Comment by Sol — June 16, 2008 @ 9:52 am
not with the Chapman’s melded children, SOL……… but where it says “archive”
Comment by admin — June 16, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Comment by Sol — June 17, 2008 @ 5:07 am
Do people still say ‘duh’ in Oz?
Comment by Chris Sands — June 17, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
Comment by Sol — June 18, 2008 @ 5:54 am
I quite like it
Comment by Chris Sands — June 18, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
I saw this sculpture awhile ago. I stayed in the room with it for about half an hour
In an old BBC interview Anish says this:
“It seems to me that, yes, the eye is a very very quick instrument, incredibly quick instrument
Comment by Sol — June 18, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
But though I tried to download the image onto this page
do you leave a space following ‘jpg’ and prior to the ‘alt=Anish Kapoor sculpture/> ?
Chris - local children use ‘duh’ accompanied by the heel of the hand hitting their forehead
I laughed to find Paul Verhaeghe uses a Simpsons reference in his book ‘Love in a time of loneliness’
Comment by Sol — June 18, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
Sol - after jpg you put quotations, and yes, you leave a space prior to alt: jpg” alt=Anish Kapoor sculpture/>
Comment by admin — June 19, 2008 @ 2:52 am
‘Duh’ was very big here ten years ago (when my daughter was about 9).
Comment by Chris Sands — June 19, 2008 @ 3:50 am
what does Anish Kapoor say about looking?
Comment by alice — June 19, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
- he says its rather quick
Comment by Chris Sands — June 19, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
yes you see i put that quote of his
I did not experience that sculpture by sight -
When I glanced it through the doorway I wasn’t especially interested in it.
In this way it was reminding me a little bit of the lived
Comment by Sol — June 19, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
I start with “yes you see’
Comment by Sol — June 19, 2008 @ 9:24 pm
after Arish Kapoor’s image……… Lacan’s idea that the creation of a vase does not represent a container but rather something closer to a ring. If the world is a ring the void at its center is both inside and outside
Comment by alice — June 19, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
Sol and Violet. Don’t forget you are beautiful people. You are valued. You have beautiful souls. When we speak the ‘truth’ love begins.
Comment by Terry1 — June 20, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
they are not beautiful, they have no soul……..
Comment by alice — June 21, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
alice is jealous
Comment by rupert — June 21, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
alice you are beautiful, you have a glamourous soul, but you do not speak the truth
Comment by rupert — June 21, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
I went to look for Terry1 (how do you spell the pronounciation of your name Terry1?
Besides that I encountered a list of who used to be here
Braxton Fuzzledorf (very recently)
I haven’t included currently speaking ‘people’
Ambivalence is necessary - I am ugly, worthless and have a soul withered by tar
If Freud’s psyche is translated as soul then there may be the grace of violence
But it’s true I think what T1 says about speaking truth and love.
PS: violet is a seperate ‘person’ to me.
Comment by Sol — June 21, 2008 @ 9:05 pm
alice (re: 60)
“by the intensification of a boundary idea….[forming]
The idea of the material, the metal, the ceramic, the imaginary body
(In deep space no one can hear you scream..)
I don’t know
Comment by Sol — June 21, 2008 @ 9:50 pm
re. a deep space scream:
Comment by Chris Sands — June 22, 2008 @ 8:27 am
Do you have a photo of an oyster catcher?
Comment by Sol — June 22, 2008 @ 8:40 am
Yes work with video and edit with mac.
Comment by Chris Sands — June 22, 2008 @ 8:52 am
I’ve just made a little film with the word ‘oyster’ in it
Comment by Sol — June 22, 2008 @ 10:02 am
anyway I can’t do it
It’s called ’round things (you speak so softly)’
The text(subtitles) at one stage is:
(Hypatia of Alexandria)
Funny though, the oysters..
Comment by Sol — June 22, 2008 @ 11:38 am
Yes please, Sol.
Comment by Chris Sands — June 22, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
still figuring it out
Comment by Sol — June 23, 2008 @ 11:02 am
Have received much info. from the London group recently, outlining their case against state registration.
Comment by Chris Sands — June 26, 2008 @ 11:43 am
Yes, I got this message from the NLS… we should all go… “The congress on the 9th and 10th of May with the title “Lacanian Interpretation”, which will take place in Paris, will be our next meeting as a whole School.”
Comment by alice — July 3, 2008 @ 3:27 am
As well -there’s the English language Paris seminar which starts next Monday in Paris (’ordinary psychosis’)
Comment by Chris Sands — July 3, 2008 @ 3:32 am
Will you be there CS?
Comment by alice — July 3, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
ordinary psychoses……. Jacques-Alain Miller said in September 1998: “From the moment there is a diversification of norms, we are evidently in the era of ordinary psychosis. What is coherent with the era of the Other that does not exist is ordinary psychosis.” Again, in contrast to the triggering of classical psychoses “the subject has elaborated a sliding, drifting symptom, there is no clear-cut triggering… In the era of the Preliminary question, what gives order to the world for Lacan? What is it that makes your thoughts happen in your head and not elsewhere? What is it that makes you feel more or less well in your head and in your body? What is it that gives each thing its place? It’s the Name-of-the-Father, the Name-of-the-Father conceived as signifier of the Other, S(A), that’s to say, as the Other of the Other. Later on, Lacan argues on the contrary – and we can assume that he got the idea from Gödel’s theorem – that there is no Other of the Other. What becomes of the concept of foreclosure of the Name-of-the-Father? It is somehow replaced by the concept of ‘outside-discourse.’ In fact, the routine of conversations as determined by the structure of discourse is what operates the classification and distribution of signifiers.”
Comment by alice — July 3, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
For a long time a question that Alain Badiou asks fascinates me. It has to with contemporary art and something that’s peripheral to not just a predisposition to the symbolic, but also to what’s visible with art in a contemporary sense or in the sense of a predisposition towards capitalism. Badiou seems to imply margins and new net-works, and how to re-invent the Other that doesn’t exist… (?) So, we still say there’s a language of art, but is it a language? A certain cynicism is obvious here, but the cynicism of the art world seems a long way from what Badiou’s getting at. He seems to say, with capitalism there’s a presciption, but there’s also an ‘inexistence’ lacking prescription.
Comment by Chris Sands — July 3, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
CS - you were saying you are going to Paris to the “Ordinary Psychosis” seminar? that you will be there hopefully on Monday…..? really?
Comment by alice — July 4, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
yes am going, but living on a small island it’s sometimes hoping for the best and buying a plane ticket as well as boat ticket.
Comment by Chris Sands — July 4, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
CS - wish I could go… still it’s so nice to know you will be there and back to tell us about
Comment by alice — July 4, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Miller says: “tous les hommes délirent!” or everybody suffers from delusion. Does it mean that the reference is then empty? the absence of the Thing?
Comment by rupert — July 4, 2008 @ 8:03 pm
rupert - say there is a certain amount of “crazy” we may all discern as such - the neurotics are supposed to like the idea, the hysterical hears voices… I guess it means we all deal with the certain amount of crazy, so called because it lacks a referent.
Comment by alice — July 5, 2008 @ 1:46 am
Yes, but this lack of a ‘referent’ is something that contemporary art has much to say about.
Comment by Chris Sands — July 5, 2008 @ 3:48 am
Chris Sands, are you gone to Paris?
Comment by alice — July 13, 2008 @ 2:33 am
Comment by Chris Sands — July 14, 2008 @ 2:43 am
Will you tell us about it?
Comment by alice — July 14, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
I will have to tell you in small bits because there was so much to it, but will say more later this week (when have some time).
Comment by Chris Sands — July 15, 2008 @ 3:26 am
I made lots of notes during the seminar (and others afterwards), but dread looking back at those made during the seminar. Towards the end of the week we were invited to leave a few comments and I wrote about two presentations at the start. I was already revising how I saw these two presentations and more than this, will have to do a ‘little more’ thinking about the week.
Comment by Chris Sands — July 20, 2008 @ 4:17 am
Comment by Chris Sands — July 20, 2008 @ 4:26 am
Comment by sol — July 20, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
Have also come away from the seminar feeling a distance. One speaker spoke of psychoanalysis as a city profession and another talked about an application of analysis - only ‘valid’ as the result of an analysis. So, I feel the distance, but sometimes side with Joyce. So ‘working through’ also has to do wandering around Paris with a video camera and writing up other notes too. Perhaps compensating for lack of access to psychoanalysis, but also working sometimes in a clinical setting, I make a case and in making a case run close to an exhaustion. In the last presentation, Eric Laurent spoke about work that sought to interrupt a continuum. It reminded me of some emphasis in the Courtil papers on the exhaustion of autistic children. I’ve begun to respond to the seminar through my blog and hope to attach video to it shortly.
Comment by Chris Sands — July 21, 2008 @ 3:50 am
I wonder about the pace of things and with contemporary art, a sense of how the work of art can be seen or how it is seen, includes duration and anOther - who mostly exists in passing.
Comment by Chris Sands — July 26, 2008 @ 6:19 pm
Is everybody on holiday?
Comment by Chris Sands — July 28, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
I am on the very opposite of holiday
I have been flicking over to here and to the messageboard a bit
apart from if there is no fee attached to online commentaries,
Comment by sol — July 29, 2008 @ 10:26 am
WOW, that is an intriguing say…….. Sol, if only we could know more about “there is no fee attached to online commentaries, or conversations, it doesn’t mean there isn’t a price
Comment by alice — July 29, 2008 @ 2:12 pm
Sol, do you mean ‘cost’ in the sense that having something to say is part of attempts to regulate a jouissance
Comment by Chris Sands — July 30, 2008 @ 4:33 am
Comment by Chris Sands — July 30, 2008 @ 4:43 am
I don’t know much about what I wrote,
I remember being quite humiliated by someone’s response
Since violet’s responses about an analyst
But more interestingly, what do others think?
(By the opposite of holiday Chris, sadly, obliquely, I refer to death)
Comment by sol — July 30, 2008 @ 6:58 am
If I press this button both sites (messageb+sympos) will register 102
Comment by Chris Sands — August 1, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
how to be the one to break the symmetry? with movement I guess, with a dancer, tiny one, like a shadow
Comment by alice — August 2, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
Sol’s running with the messageboard (103 to 107 next door), is it a game of hide and seek?
Yes I think art went next door for a bit, but can anybody help find it?
Comment by Chris Sands — August 3, 2008 @ 8:48 am
yes you spoke about the ‘pausing moments’ or the interruption
I think of this ‘rushing out’ and then the reflection that comes before the title..
Comment by sol — August 3, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Comment by Chris Sands — August 3, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
Man Ray and Marcel Duchamp playing chess
Comment by Chris Sands — August 6, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
the chimneys )?) in the background
Comment by sol — August 7, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
The rooftops and chimneys appear in first sequences at the start of ‘Entracte’.
Comment by Chris Sands — August 8, 2008 @ 4:03 am
in 109 above
Comment by Chris Sands — August 8, 2008 @ 4:07 am
Chris if I email you a jpeg file is it easy for
I can’t just paste from my desktop can I?
Comment by sol — August 8, 2008 @ 9:04 am
artchess is good
Comment by sol — August 8, 2008 @ 9:32 am
Sol, if you put up an image that is in the internet the formula we give on the top lines is the perfect one,
Comment by admin — August 10, 2008 @ 1:00 am
Thanks admin, but it was something I made
Comment by sol — August 10, 2008 @ 6:42 am
I’m trying this out for posting an image you’ve made or manipulated
You don’t need an account with ImageShack.
1. Go to ImageShack® - Image Hosting
2. Upload your photo(s).
Though it hasn’t quite worked yet..
Comment by sol — August 10, 2008 @ 8:33 am
Comment by admin — August 10, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
It works Sol… though it took a while to figure out… it’s great for images that happen to be outside the internet… thank you!
Comment by admin — August 10, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
did you select - to forums
Comment by sol — August 11, 2008 @ 6:37 am
that cloud now happens to be
I still can’t figure it
Comment by sol — August 11, 2008 @ 7:12 am
When I figure imageshack out,
Do you remember the question ~ a year ago, on this board,
The temporal/spatial ‘thing’ of this board, and us, around the globe
Comment by sol — August 11, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
As to Sol’s question in message 108 - I selected the “direct” even though it says: DO NOT Use Link Below when posting. Use FORUM Links above for post. And that’s how it took me a while to figure things out. The other possibilities make tiny thumbnails… and so
Comment by admin — August 11, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
Did you help my message to appear on the messageboard Admin?
Comment by sol — August 12, 2008 @ 4:47 am
Comment by sol — August 12, 2008 @ 8:17 am
Comment by sol — August 12, 2008 @ 8:24 am
For the objet a in the messageboard, Sol, I put it up with Shack Hosting. I uploaded it many times because I tried the many addresses, and it kept appearing very small, like a thumbnail, till I found the address I had used for my cloud - the direct - that says “DO NOT Use Link Below when posting. Use FORUM Links above for post,” and that worked - it let me use a bigger image and without a kind of black label that appears with the thumbnail…
Comment by admin — August 12, 2008 @ 9:18 am
Comment by admin — August 12, 2008 @ 9:26 am
I hope this works
Comment by Chris Sands — August 12, 2008 @ 5:34 pm
The photo prompts another blog (http://chrissands.wordpress.com/), which is keeping up with making a short video (11 mins) recently finished, at least in one version.
Comment by Chris Sands — August 12, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
All I did CS, was add < img src =" before the address you wrote and "> at the end
Comment by admin — August 13, 2008 @ 12:15 am
And Sol - I do remember the question, a year ago, on this board, ‘what is outside your window’?
Comment by admin — August 13, 2008 @ 2:15 am
I think the question (130) was a little inspired by Gerard Wajcman’s INTIME texts
Comment by Chris Sands — August 13, 2008 @ 4:27 am
thanks Admin re pic 127 - but can you make it quite a bit smaller?
Comment by Chris Sands — August 13, 2008 @ 4:31 am
(postcript) Alain Badiou talks of contemporary arts subordination to psychoanalysis, but
Comment by Chris Sands — August 13, 2008 @ 4:54 am
Do you mean Chris, that the kind of psychoanalytic
Comment by sol — August 13, 2008 @ 11:49 am
There’s ‘applied psychoanalysis’ and ‘pure psychoanalysis’ and a paper online here somewhere, written by JA Miller,
Comment by Chris Sands — August 13, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
banning the ‘term’??!!
Comment by sol — August 13, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
Banning use of the term, another words the plan is to call analysts psychotherapists, who will be state registered rather than registered with a school
Comment by Chris Sands — August 14, 2008 @ 3:33 am
or else? You cannot practice publically?
Here, one cannot be employed
Comment by sol — August 14, 2008 @ 5:09 am
The implication would be that psychoanalysts can practice, but would be called psychotherapists and registered by the state.
Comment by Chris Sands — August 14, 2008 @ 8:52 am
There’s a little irony too.
Comment by Chris Sands — August 14, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
of le Nom du Père becoming a DSM category… are you implying the UN Father which relates to psychosis?
Comment by alice — August 16, 2008 @ 10:19 am
yes, but it was only joke
Comment by Chris Sands — August 16, 2008 @ 11:34 am
in any case the foreclosed Nom du Père wouldn’t be out of context in a DSM category… right?
Comment by alice — August 16, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Comment by Chris Sands — August 16, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
I think so, yes, DSM categories should account for certain clinicians the way A (Other) or S1, S2 make up for the names of the father with lacanians.
Comment by alice — August 16, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
as with Freud, I don’t know if people who use it, really read it.
I was just having a look to try to find it’s definition
it says although it is a classification system
Comment by sol — August 16, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
We seem to have moved away from ‘looking out of the window’ - which seemed so promising.
Comment by Chris Sands — August 20, 2008 @ 5:25 pm
It’s interesting however to read about Freud’s fallibility when it comes to ’serious mental illness’… don’t Lacan’s conclusions about foreclosure with regard to the name of the father - one of his huge discoveries - follow up from there?
Comment by alice — August 20, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
But now the shift away from the N de P
Comment by Chris Sands — August 21, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Hopefully submitting work for a show,
‘Quotation as conversational piece’
Comment by Chris Sands — August 21, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
That’s an interesting idea Alice,
The failure to symbolise a limit that might link the drive and the
So fallibility and failure are not related in that sense.
The interesting thing for me is how they might be socially elaborated
But metaphorically, and perhaps clinically, a fallibilty with regard
Comment by sol — August 22, 2008 @ 12:14 am
The sublime, gradually divided into separate entities as we grow in
Comment by sol — August 22, 2008 @ 6:29 am
With the seminar ‘Encore’, as name suggests, there’s reference to a ‘relentless’ jouissance, but if the Other no longer exists (by the time of ‘Encore’), what happens to the signifier?
Comment by Chris Sands — August 22, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Will be going to the rally in London next week. Info about it is at
Comment by Chris Sands — September 13, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
It would be good to hear of the Rally OIP CS
Comment by Sol — September 14, 2008 @ 9:45 am
Has spring arrived ‘down under’ ?
Comment by Chris Sands — September 14, 2008 @ 10:13 am
yes, thankfully, the blossums and bulbs are out,
Comment by Sol — September 14, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
it is warm and damp in NY, 27º C / 80º F and mosquitos do bite, and they are awful tonight… from tomorrow on it should get much much better
Comment by alice — September 15, 2008 @ 12:23 am
new window image for
Comment by Sol — September 15, 2008 @ 8:43 am
Comment by Sol — September 15, 2008 @ 8:46 am
Sol, do you mean that you tried to post another image and nothing happened
Comment by Chris Sands — September 15, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
tried twice to post
Comment by Sol — September 15, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Comment by admin — September 15, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
I can finish Alice’s song… and mosquitos do bite, and they are awful tonight, and you smell just like citronella
Comment by admin — September 16, 2008 @ 1:33 am
Sol - Chris - with Image Shack you cannot fail to upload images
Comment by alice — September 16, 2008 @ 3:15 am
Well alice..sometimes there is a subject supposed to fail..
Comment by Sol — September 16, 2008 @ 9:01 am
Amazing photo alice,
Comment by Sol — September 16, 2008 @ 9:03 am
Sol - it didn’t work, an other address may do it. most important is to control the quotation marks you add are not oblicoual but straight
Comment by admin — September 16, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Alice, can you say something about this photo ?
Comment by Chris Sands — September 16, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
well. it was imspired by “and mosquitos do bite, and they are awful tonight, and you (the baby) smell just like citronella”
she is leaving the baby so tiny… so he/her better smell just like citronella
Comment by alice — September 16, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Comment by Sol — September 16, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
oh well, Sol, that’s something… even more than what I projected as contradictory feelings in the mother soldier that has to deal with her CHOiCE to leave the baby child in behalf of her patriotic destiny.
Comment by alice — September 17, 2008 @ 3:00 am
CS - did you read the Miller article in the contents page, Operation Castration? Sarah Palin and the babies is quite an issue
Comment by alice — September 17, 2008 @ 3:02 am
I might butt in-
Comment by Sol — September 17, 2008 @ 10:17 am
But what happens (with this photo) if we put Antigone in the frame?
Comment by Chris Sands — September 17, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
“…churns out children all while holding a shotgun …a new race of political women rise to power…” “Sarah impassions America, she brings a new Eros to politics” from JA Miller’ Sarah Palin: Operation “Castration”.
Comment by alice — September 19, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
is Palin fascinating do you think, alice and CS?
I only know this excerpt from Miller, but in order to find out a bit about
Comment by Sol — September 20, 2008 @ 11:46 am
Don’t know about this politician, but have just heard JA Miller and others speak in London.
Comment by Chris Sands — September 22, 2008 @ 4:27 am