Antonia - 08/29/03 10:19:32 EDT
sorry chris (uk) - that was me - I forgot to put my name

- 08/29/03 10:18:48 EDT
chris (uk) - I imagine lots of people read us, still no one else talks to us.... why?
I don't know. In any case there is 21.000 thousand people a day visiting this site.
Not all them come to the messageboard... I know.
And about the ones who were writing....... they are not talking because of the holiday season as you say... I think If the unconscious can take a break? What a good question... I'll think about that

chris (uk) - 08/28/03 02:54:09 EDT
Antonia, if this can be a post interpretive messageboard, are we the only ones left talking to each other or is no-one else talking to us? And, am I confusing 'they are not talking' with the holiday season and if so, can the unconscious take a break?

chris (uk) - 08/28/03 02:47:46 EDT
but in 'Interpretation In Reverse' (Psychoanalytic Notebooks 2) JA Miller equates interpretation with the unconscious, such that we adhere to a 'post interpretive' approach ...

Antonia - 08/27/03 18:33:27 EDT
chris (uk) -I am not saying we want to come up with an interpretation

chris (uk) - 08/27/03 02:29:19 EDT
Antonia, it must have been a slip!

Antonia - 08/26/03 23:10:30 EDT
chris (uk) - hmmm , do we want to identifye Terry 1 with perfume?

chris (uk) - 08/24/03 04:05:18 EDT
Oops(!), looking back it was Terry 1 (22.6.03) who referred to the messageboard as a 'VALUABLE learning resource'.

Antonia - 08/23/03 12:23:44 EDT
chris (uk) - I don't remember Perfume mentioning an 'educational chatroom,'
you mean the chatroom or the messageboard itself?

Lucy - 08/22/03 10:28:55 EDT
an anonymous admirer

Antonia - 08/22/03 10:28:10 EDT
Terry1 has an admirer

- 08/19/03 20:10:31 EDT
Terry1 - it's alway a treat to read you

Terry1 - 08/19/03 16:31:12 EDT
As Renate had Slavoj Zizek's child we should read her words carefully.

chris (uk) - 08/17/03 04:02:51 EDT
Antonia, this is reference to Renata Salecl's paper, The Silence of Feminine Jouissance, which may describe something of an interplay between desire and the drive. But because Salecl's description includes the subject of love, its more 'interplay' than a move from Odysseus' desire to the siren's jouissance or vice versa. In fact, I stumbled into this reference when I should have been referring to late Lacan's universalisation of the drive, as a possible referrant for psychoanalysis and psychotherapy. So, we can say, Freud bases therapy on neurosis and works towards psychosis, using neurosis as the index, whereas, Lacan looks to the drive and psychosis and works towards neurosis (and the unconscious desire of the sirens). Perhaps, sexuation begins with the drive and works back towards the possibilities of desire and love. So, when Perfume refers to an 'educational chatroom' and not just a transferential one, is this reference to movement from something possibly universal to something particular?

chris (uk) - 08/14/03 17:22:36 EDT
Renata Salecl refers to the silence of the drive ... ... and Odysseus' bound up desire which silences the siren's drive to annihilate Odysseus. Salecl suggests, referring to one interpretation, that Homer's sirens fall in love, their jouissance turns to desire, their song disappears leaving them speechless. As for sexuation, I have to say, I find Lacan's sexuation formulas and mathemes in general, difficult ...

Antonia - 08/12/03 18:13:36 EDT
chris (uk) - I very much like the "also."
Now if we define the space with Lacans late dictum, 'there's no such thing as sexual rapport' we are obviously entering the realm of the unconscious -
no formula may establish a rapport between the sexes, in the very mathematical sense of the term, which may allow to ennounce what in the unconscious belongs to the masculin or the feminine register, much as the tie that could reunite them.
Tells us more as to how the move goes from desire to the drive and sexuation.

chris (uk) - 08/12/03 16:17:44 EDT
Each time we enter into discourse which hints at analysis or have a session we redefine that territory which is also an office. But JA Miller defines the space, where Freud first analysed female patients on a couch, as definitive of Lacans late dictum, 'there's no such thing as sexual rapport'. In this place there's a move from desire to the drive and sexuation.

Antonia - 08/12/03 09:08:51 EDT
Chris (uk) - what we call psychoanalysis happens in an office with two people present talking to each other. All other, phone, internet... are substitutes for the times you are far from each other or for some reason you cannot make it to the office-with the phone a lot goes through wanting to hear the voice of the analyst, but this is not what it is all about.
And this doesn't mean a lot may happen between people, whether in the realm of love, or in the realm of therapy, through the phone, through the internet, but it wouldn't be called psychoanalysis. I think

chris (uk) - 08/10/03 14:05:46 EDT
Antonia, I've looked through papers I have at hand, looking for the source article, which was by JA Miller and might have been called 'the couch' or something similar. I can't find it, but Miller makes a distinction between live sessions and all the rest. When all the rest could mean phone, letter and virtual sessions. This might be a response to Zizek as a 'scandulous' analysand, however, Miller's point seemed to be that the analysand only reaches 'there no such thing as sexual rapport' in session, experientially.
Because this is provocative, I set about demeaning 'virtual love', but only because of Miller makes a distinction, which might seem conservative to some. Its as if Miller says, psychoanalysis rests on Lacan's late dictum, when desire and the unconscious has given way to the drive

Antonia - 08/09/03 17:05:25 EDT
chris (uk) -
you say Miller insists psychoanalytic sessions need to be live. Live against what ?
the phone, the internet, how do you see the alternative?

chris (uk) - 08/09/03 15:13:36 EDT
Antonia, I would interested to know how you would put it, but am not clear what you mean in the first place, with first question. Perhaps, I need to re-interpret why Miller insists psychoanalytic sessions need to be live. I'm sorry it was 36 c. here today and I'm not thinking well

Antonia - 08/09/03 10:22:15 EDT
chris (isle de la manche) - the anatomical difference between the sexes cannot be written because it doesn't exist in the unconscious - so to make it event we need the unconscious to appear? this is what you mean with "only when live"?
And about lovers "needing to see each other sometimes - making love - to acknowledge there's no such thing..." I don't know that I would put it like that

chris (isle de la manche) - 08/06/03 02:55:54 EDT
Antonia, Miller maintains sessions need to be live, because only when live can the analysand's transference love turn towards 'there's no such thing as sexual rapport'. If this is Lacan's 'condition', this is also relevant outside analysis.
It might say something about lovers needing to see each other sometimes. Then, 'making love' acknowledges 'there's no such thing'?

Antonia - 08/05/03 12:52:18 EDT
chris (uk) - the fact that there are conditions doesn't mean you cannot make love. Already Freud talks of "conditions" for love.

Marcel... - 08/04/03 18:51:06 EDT
(lucca) I also love Fernando Pessoa... I always think about Ego and Unconcious when I red that poem... And I like this poem to think about Ego and thrut...

The poet is a pretender.
He pretends so completely
That he even pretends
The pain he really feels.
Those who read what he writes
Feel truly, reading pain,
Not the two he had, but only
The one they do not have.
And on the train rails
Huffing, fooling the head
This little toy engine
And the heart is its name.

Lucca - 08/04/03 18:32:15 EDT
I am the escaped one,
After I was born
They locked me up inside me
But I left.
My soul seeks me,
Through hills and valleys,
I hope my soul
Never finds me."
Fernando P.(1907)

chris (uk) - 08/04/03 14:02:09 EDT
Antonia, how do we make love with words, when J A Miller maintains that analysis is only possible in a session, not on the net. Surely, there are minimal conditions for analysis and 'making love', even if 'I love what you say' and 'imagine you' because of what you say.

normanmarin@hotmail.com - 08/04/03 12:02:20 EDT
Do you know where can I find information about Lacanian seminars, courses or whatever in Nebraska and Indiana?

norman - 08/04/03 12:01:04 EDT
Do you where can I find information about lacanian seminars or courses or whatever in Nebraska?

Antonia - 08/04/03 10:27:12 EDT
the subjects resulting from the copulation of the sifnifiers enjoy. ·baiser qu‚ils appellent ça.‰ In seminar 22 - RSI

ben (newcastle) - 08/04/03 07:21:57 EDT
breton has something similar, i think, about the words making love with one another. materiality of language comes into this somewhere, do you think? what's left over in language from symbolisation, as object petit a, upon which the existence of the subject is partly predicated - i think of this as having some kinds of quasi-visceral attributes, but as they would be in the Real, and therefore not "really" visceral in an embodied sense? not sure how this fits with "actual" lacanian discourse, but it's a useful way for me to think together the relations of voice, body, language and technological intervention/disembodiment.

Antonia - 08/04/03 06:14:28 EDT
Chris (UK) - indeed... Lacan really says that when you talk about making love it is the same as doing it . More so, he says you make love with the words... See the André Masson image at: http://www.lacan.com/masson.htm

ben (newcastle) - 08/03/03 12:00:40 EDT
- 08/03/03 11:59:59 EDT
chris (isles de la manche)
i agree about the misinterpretation of lacan (and freud) - i always worry that there is a kind of recourse to psychoanalysis as a way of enlisting "science" [sic] in order to validate cultural analysis, a positivist approach that, epistemologically speaking, cultural analysis neither benefits from nor needs, in my view - in fact such insecurities close down rather than stimulate discourse. for me lacan and freud offer powerful analytical tools precisely because they, however explicit or implic they might be about it, question the accepted models of scientific knowledge and place such a strong emphasis on the position of language as the contingent limit of what we can know - whether that is psychoanlysis as interlocution or the nature of the signifying chain. my project aims to be exactly the kind of "careful analysis" that you mention, but it is a task that i have embarked upon with a great deal of trepidation.....what is clear to me is that lacan offers one particular theoretical position that has a great deal of resonance with the surrealists, most of whom he hung out with in paris, who i use as a model of the cultural imagination about realtions of humans and machines as articulated in the relations of the voice and phonography. making this stuff work is HARD, but i think that lacan is one of the prime locations from within which it should be possible. thanks for the references, i'll be hitting amazon.com later this evening (i already have seminar XI)

chris (isles de la manche) - 08/03/03 08:40:28 EDT
Ben, if Freud influenced the surrealists, then Lacan influences contempory art in a big way, in my opinion (are we living through a period of neo-surrealism?). But some recent writers have suggested that Lacan's description of voice and gaze etc. requires very careful analysis as much has been misinterepreted, especially via film theory. I would recommend Joan Copjec's Imagine There's No Woman (MIT press) and Seminar X1

ben (newcastle) - 08/03/03 06:31:13 EDT
terry1
thanks for getting back to me, will follow up the leads. i‚d not come across the actual figuration of the voice as a drive ˆ the invocatory drive seems to me to be a drive structured around listening/hearing rather than speaking/voice. voice is represented as object petit a (not the voice of the speaking subject, of course, rather zizek/dolar‚s object voice) for this drive, but the errogenous zone is the ear (according to the schematic i have ˆ Dylan Evans 1996). thus, like the oral drive, there is a more explicit split between the object and the zone ˆ at least this is how i have read it. the voice of the speaking subject seems to me to be yet another different order of things ˆ voice as Other, as parasite, alien (Zizek). i‚m just getting started on this tack so any pointers, criticism etc are very welcome. i am writing my phd on voice and technology, death and trauma and the cultural imagination during the inter-war period ˆ so i‚m coming at lacan as a cultural theorist rather than a clinician, but so far (a few months, basically) it is very illuminating ˆ also his contemporaneity with and involvememnt with the surrealists (Breton in particular) adds a degree of historiographical weight.

chris (uk) - 08/03/03 03:06:47 EDT
Antonia, does Lacan really say that when you talk about making love it is the same as doing it?
Isn't Lacan saying that 'talking love', 'writing love', addresses that 'something I love in you more than you' - as Lucca suggests. That is Lacan implies correspondence between the voice, as object of the drive, and the objet a.
But the question has to do with desire, the possibility of desire in neurosis, the difficulty with desire in perversion and the absence of desire in psychosis.
Porn lacks suggestion and mistakes a semblance of the object for the object. Howard Britton (paper in Symptom 3) associates a capitalist version of the objet a ('plus de jouir'), with the dissolution of desire and perhaps, erotism makes its case against a backdrop of lack of desire and a Lacanian 'not giving up on desire'?

perfume - 08/02/03 16:23:46 EDT
Please excuse me for upsetting the messageboard. .. as you know I do some editing. This is what I was doing when I erased the wrong file. So the screen went blank. It's all in there now.

Antonia - 08/01/03 19:27:29 EDT
chris (uk) - Lacan says that when you talk about making love it is the same as doing it.
Now as to porno the matter is supposedly the written, while in eroticism it is the talking discourse. With erotism, on the side of fetischism, the issue is suggestion. With porno it is what doesn't cease to get written.

Antonia - 08/01/03 19:16:27 EDT
yes Trerry1 - I have read: ' The story of the Eye' by Georges Bataille

Terry1 - 07/31/03 18:35:16 EDT
Antonia have you read: ' The story of the Eye' by Georges Bataille?

Terry1 - 07/31/03 18:33:37 EDT
ALL love is the love of TRUTH. When we fall in love we fall in love with the TRUTH. We love somebody when we can see a weakness in them,a slight limp perhaps or the way the kneck is held................

chris (uk) - 07/31/03 17:32:46 EDT
do we fall in love to prevent the objet a from being too pervasive? To forget about the not-all?

Lucca - 07/31/03 09:10:36 EDT
"I love you...
but inexplicably something
I love in you more the you
the a object
I mutilate you..."
Lacan, XI Seminary

yannick - 07/31/03 08:53:18 EDT
Hello: Is the object a inducing the void in A, thereby inducing the split in the subject making him the lacking subject and preventing the jouissance or does the object a fullfill the void in the lacking subject to achieve jouissance? thanks.

Terry1 - 07/29/03 18:43:21 EDT
Ben......... sorry I've been very busy.......You can quote London CFAR perhaps Bernard Bergoyne 2000..............But what I've said is central to Lacan's writing and understanding. The voice is a drive and it aims (like the gaze) at an object but it can never have the object. Its function is to return to the body. So all language is a demand for love because the first words we speak are a cry a call for unity to be one with the lost object. Object petite (a). When we qare born we have lost something and all of our lives we look for the thing that we lost. We will only ever find it again fleetingly in jouissance. When we've got it it's gone.

chris (uk) - 07/29/03 02:25:50 EDT
Antonia, can describing a moment of intimacy amount to porn? No, the work is fictional and my friends would have been equally surpised by reference to the Courbet painting, which once belonged to Lacan. If this fiction is about anything, its about processes which veil and uncover and move towards and away from a particular silence ...

Antonia - 07/29/03 01:16:25 EDT
chris (uk) - perhaps this is what your are writing about? are you writing ABOUT porn? are you writing porn?

chris (uk) - 07/28/03 16:48:41 EDT
Antonia, you've just proved art solicits a response of the real. When I described what I was writing to friends at the weekend, the consensus seemed to be that I was writing 'porn'. In reply, I imagine I suggested anglo-saxon attitudes seem preoccupied with 'covering up' and 'talking through' the silence of the drives. And perhaps, this is what I'm writing about. Talking versus the silence of the drives - with names, lifted at midnight on a full moon, from my one and only chatroom. x

Antonia - 07/28/03 15:36:32 EDT
Chris (uk) - how is the writing of the piece with the ficitional characters from a psychoanalytic chatroom going?

ben (newcastle) - 07/24/03 13:58:39 EDT
for terry1: i posted a question about the source of a couple of quotes you mention about a week ago. maybe you didn't see it. i'd be really grateful if you'd be able to let me know the sources. they both related to "aim of language is to return to body/silence". still can't locate them in any of the lacan texts i have. thanks, ben.

Marcel - 07/21/03 19:31:47 EDT
Sameer... Very good your question... about I think that when I say "I"... I, that thing that´s bealive to control the speak, is all there... but not alone... the "strange", the unconciou subject is toghether, beyond and like language... it makes we feel like not complete in the sentence... like $, a half subject,that's the human structure... a incomplete been that needs an I, an Ego, that believes to be one...

Marcel - 07/21/03 19:25:53 EDT
Yes... it´s really... Ego, I, and all the words are only "significantes" are just one word to another word and all them toghether makes the significant web ("rede dos significantes"). I know that I , Ego, Eu, Yo, Je... are sings conecteds, but I think that when "sujeito", the pacient unconcious speaks, when the "sujeito do suposto saber", the analyst heard... they are implicated with the language... when I say Ego I think about a concept, when I say I, that´s me the object and subjetc of my speach... who talks it is not my Ego, but me... and through my words, my inconcious... I don´t dessagree with the word... I some times I think about the origin of the word...

Sameer - 07/20/03 17:20:05 EDT
As to that point of 'ich' translating as 'I' or as ego, aren't 'I' and ego synonimous? Isn't a significant part of 'I' unconscious? When I say 'I', am I all there?

chris (uk) - 07/20/03 15:10:25 EDT
Marcel, if ich translates as 'I' not ego, nevertheless, Freud lived in England and must have been familiar with a 'poor' translation of 'ich'. Freud makes use of the notion of 'interpretation', which is close to translation ... and later, Jacques-Alain Miller equates interpretation with the unconscious.

Maria - 07/19/03 12:42:53 EDT
Marcel - existence is always related to words. Sometimes though things have a name, like woman, still the name doesn't name them...

Marcel - 07/19/03 09:59:29 EDT
About a question that I read here... paranoide.... is a kind of esquizofrenia... paranoide esquizofrenia... and paranoic is other kind of psychosy... (please... I need some help with some technical terms... my English is not perfect...)

Marcel - 07/19/03 09:51:01 EDT
I am a brazillian psychologist and I am very with this site... there are freudiens in lacan in Usa... I am going next year to havard to studie translation mistakes in freud... and I really want to know where the translator that made the english version found the word Ego... it does not exist... Freud wrote Ich, I...

Marcel - 07/19/03 09:44:59 EDT
I think very interesting this conversation about women exist or not... but the real question is someone exist beyond the field of the Other? Cause by the side of the other we are the Other just like the a object.,..

lucas - 07/18/03 22:32:08 EDT
maybe penis envy=woman does not exist

Lucy - 07/18/03 20:11:05 EDT
Terry1 - I know that Freud didn't say, "The woman does not exist"

Antonias - 07/18/03 19:35:25 EDT
chris (uk) - Oh, we want to read that piece... how long is it? you can post it in here, of course, but if it's too long we can get perfume to publish it in The Symptom.

Terry1 - 07/18/03 17:33:11 EDT
Lucy I know this BUT do you KNOW that Freud didn't say:' The woman does not exist'?

chris (uk) - 07/18/03 14:14:32 EDT
Antonia, I do a lot of writing and I'm presently writing a piece which includes 'fictional' characters taken from a psychoanalytic chatroom. I could send it as a message, once finished ...

Lucy - 07/18/03 05:56:15 EDT
Terry1 - Freud didn't say the woman does not exist, the one to say this was Lacan, but then of course Lacan goes on to say Freud said all things some other way

Antonia - 07/18/03 05:53:41 EDT
chris uk - how is the message box very small? (I a not talking metaphore)

Antonia - 07/17/03 00:47:26 EDT
It's the middle of a battle. There is a company of Italian soldiers in the trenches, the commander issues the order "Soldiers, attack." Nobody moves. So the commander shouts louder "Soldiers, attack!" At which point there is a response - a voice rises from the trenches saying Che bella voce!

Lucy - 07/16/03 13:45:15 EDT
voice, as it gets to be drive: the woman in the Cloisters was singing to God. Suddenly she hears her voice. Now she doesn't sing to God anymore - she sings to herself.

ben (newcastle) - 07/15/03 18:07:17 EDT
i just found this site - hope this works. i'm doing a phd on the voice and technology - currently trying to figure out where lacan puts the voice in realtion to the body. i have a couple of questions if anyone can help me. i saw in an earlier message board that terry1 mentions "the goal of language is silence" and something about language returning to its origin in the body. could you direct me to the relevant lacan texts? i'd be very grateful if you could. also, i am very interested by the idea of the "object voice" - is there anything, anywhere that suggests this may be related to the "real world" phenomenon of recorded voice. freud had planty to say about phonography - anything in lacan that anyone knows of? sorry to use the message boards as a way of building up a bibliography - if this is inappropriate please, just tell me. thanks.

chris (uk) - 07/14/03 18:24:29 EDT
Once upon a time, when modernism was all the rage, artists thought, what they could say was determined by the medium. Of late we seem to be talking to each other with one liners. Is this because the 'message box' is very small or do reductive statements function as a lure? Is the medium the message or is the message the medium?

TERRY1 - 07/14/03 18:08:46 EDT
Did Freud say; 'The woman does not exist'?

Paul - 07/13/03 23:24:55 EDT
I'm afraid it was Freud who started the one sex story - didn't he say the libido is only masculine?

Terry1 - 07/12/03 18:23:08 EDT
As Freud believed there were 3 sexes and Lacan says there is one sex and its male............wo/man seems a nice 'split'

Lucy - 07/12/03 03:09:39 EDT
Terry1 - are you writing wo/man purposely like that, or is it a typo?

Antonia - 07/12/03 03:08:26 EDT
Terry1 - you like them "malas" like in "cinema noir"

Terry1 - 07/11/03 18:09:06 EDT
Does anybody agree the 'function of a wo/man is to betray'?

chris (uk) - 07/11/03 04:03:15 EDT
If denial is equated with love, aren't we back at where Zizek arrives: at the ultimate proximity of betrayal and love? However, Copjec (last chapter of 'Imagine There's No Woman') associates an 'equation' with perversion and love's uncertainty with neurosis.

lucas - 07/10/03 05:30:23 EDT
what about then the "two made one", does that not require a certain amount of denial and is it not that denial which allows for the continuation of the human species? Just asking not stating

chris (uk) - 07/09/03 15:06:06 EDT
Surely denial is linked to resistance in therapy and a more direct or less direct threat of castration. If this could somehow be the case, it suggests female resistance as 'pure nausea'.

Antonia - 07/09/03 11:50:10 EDT
what denial are we talking about? species?
denial belongs to the human. animals don't know they are going to die, but the case is not denial

robert - 07/08/03 04:01:12 EDT
I, too, am a new comer to Lacan, Lacan only as the writer. Tell me... is his analysis like the ancient astrologer, who despite his learning, really only watches the stars, night in and night out, dispassionately observing?

lucas - 07/07/03 19:24:50 EDT
denial belongs to survival..including that of the species

chris(uk) - 07/07/03 18:13:40 EDT
Antonia, does denial belong to repression or does it belong to repudiation and disavowal?

chris (uk) - 07/07/03 15:57:18 EDT
There seem to be many readings of what Lacan supposes by 'not all'. and pehaps they particularly concern sexuation formulas and set theory. But if the unsayable is a desciption of the traumatic real, then the real precedes a description like 'not all' which is (almost) symbolic

Maria - 07/07/03 09:03:43 EDT
chris (uk) - does the non-all and the unsayable go together?

Antonia - 07/07/03 00:52:52 EDT
I don't think denial is a wonderful thing... it belongs in the realm of the repressed, and the repressed people.

Lucy - 07/06/03 20:31:24 EDT
denial has to do with defence, why else would you indulge in such a thing.

lucas - 07/05/03 17:59:20 EDT
denial is a wonderful thing

Antonia - 07/04/03 16:31:34 EDT
lucas lives dangerously

lucas - 07/02/03 21:13:31 EDT
relativism, relativism...truth is what i will it to be or want it to be or whatever

chris (uk) - 07/02/03 18:28:54 EDT
Its been thundery east of the western world for a week or so now and to complement it all, the best chatroom in the western world kicks off with a titanic struggle between truth and knowledge and the not-all of seminar 20. In a piece of Lacanian literature I came across recently, the author equated the imaginary with opinions and belief and the symbolic with knowledge.
Without being clear about reasons for this insertion, I have a quote from Joan Copjec's (2002.55) 'Imagine There's No Woman'. With thundery weather, its perhaps possible to imagine the insistence of the drives. 'It is in fact this latter notion of castration that informs Lacan's myth of the birth of the body: castration banishes us from the paradise of immortal life by detaching from immortality these small representations, or incarnations, of it. In place of the All, the original plenum, we have these little objects, which are the source of our immortality, and partial incarnations of a lost maternal One.'

Antonia - 07/02/03 17:12:51 EDT
Truth is not? Truth is not all the truth... you know, like in the the mid-saying of truth... Truth is a woman, says Friedrich Nietzsche

Lucas - 07/02/03 05:25:04 EDT
truth requires an element of believe that knowledge does not. Knowledge is apprehended objectively. Truth is not. Or at least I think so.

Rupert - 07/01/03 19:26:35 EDT
Terry1, I don't believe you. Anyway truth indeed is epistemological and not dialectic since it is immediate; knowledge on the other hand is mediated and therefore dialectic and also epistemological. So how it comes that truth is "between" a structure of language? I agree on it not being a static relation...

Terry1 - 07/01/03 18:25:50 EDT
'Truth is not a static relation. Truth depends on scansion and metonymy. The truth is between a developing structure of language.Truth is not epistemological not ontological but anthropological.Truth is the movement between symbols. Truth is dialectical movement Knowledge is between the subject and object. So................I just thank Perfume and do NOT know her.

Rupert - 06/27/03 00:17:02 EDT
Hurray... Terry1 can read/write in the messageboard! Non, sans blague, it is indeed a valuable place and I do envy him - he maintains a personal correspondence with Perfume.

Terry1 - 06/22/03 16:19:21 EDT
Perfume....Thank you for your e-mails. I'm sorry I'm late in replying. I DO read the board and consider it one of the best on the Internet. Thank you and please maintain such a VALUABLE learning resource.

Antonia - 06/21/03 18:52:23 EDT
Cheryl - A person in Canada to treat psychosis with Lacanian therapy is Willy Apolon. He claims though that he can cure psychosis, when Lacan said there was no cure for it.

Cheryl - 06/20/03 13:05:20 EDT
I remember reading a study of a place in Canada where schizophrenics were treated solely with Lacanian therapy. What was the name of that place, and does anyone have contact information? Thank you!

lucas - 06/18/03 20:25:25 EDT
i think it might be as the distinction between paranoid as a psychosis and paranoid personality.

Jo - 06/18/03 10:31:51 EDT
Can I ask you a question. In french a distinction is made between "paranoïde" and "paranoiaque". I don't know what the equivalent for the latter would be in english. But do you have an idea what the difference between the two is?

Paul - 06/17/03 09:46:26 EDT
vince - Lacan means language creates reality, not "its own reality"

vince - 06/17/03 07:58:18 EDT
hi, I am a student from Belgium, wondering if anyone could tell me what it is exactly that Lacan means by the world of language creating the world of things. Does he mean that language creates its own reality?

alr - 06/15/03 23:38:21 EDT
im new to lacanian thinking, so one question (maybe chris have something to say) is there a position/location/point of identification/inflection/something in lacan regarding the 'cross-cultural?' say it is possible what is the position of the analysand?

chris (uk) - 06/15/03 03:22:32 EDT
Surely, the modernist says that a poet rediscovers poetry when all else fails, but since Zizek pronounced ISR. as the triad, traditionalism, modernism and post-modernism, there is no certainty ! Jacques-Alain Miller makes it clear that analysis is not possible without the analyst, but Dante shows that love is possible without Beatrice. If 'virtual analysis' can be a moment in analysis, a poem waits to be delivered ...

Lucy - 06/14/03 09:51:33 EDT
chris (uk) - how is poetry about love?
you fall in love - the event should inspire your poetry, or is poetry the story of that love?

Paul - 06/13/03 22:55:30 EDT
'idle intellectualism' could be a premise for therapy because the words are likely to be devoided of meaning... and I think virtual analysis falls into the same category. And about virtual love, can you fall for a person you have never seen?

chris (uk) - 06/12/03 18:02:50 EDT
My point was, suffering more than 'idle intellectualism' is a premise for therapy, but poetry is about love. If virtual analysis is impossible, virtual love slips by without a name and perhaps, virtual therapy involves suffering, too ...

Terry1 - 06/12/03 17:08:07 EDT
'To pray without crying is like loving without kissing' Ailred of Rivaulx