- 10/21/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
Sol: 'Freedom, but not..' suggests Kieslovski's 'Blue' (see Cs's Art and Lacan Symposium 'next door'). Not as over-wrought as 'Veronique', not as pellucid as 'The Decaloque'. That these films are beloved of nous worldwide is some consolation for this washed up and marooned- with broadband

- 10/21/06
Author : rupert
Comment:
jampa - yes, what sort of freedom?

- 10/21/06
Author : alice
Comment:
I think "freedom, but not" is one of the most expressive kinds of freedom I've ever come across

- 10/21/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
There's the freedom of a conversation sustained by many stories and threads... ... and I still retain the image of an imagined weekend break with Tracey Emin, still wondering about the prevailence of 'paradise imagery' with contemporary art. Not so though cover images from the new LacInk, images not made for coffee tables, but hard edged perhaps like the gaze that makes us look away or hide LacInk from curious cafe eyes (?)

- 10/22/06
Author : jon
Comment:
Nash mentioned that Encore was being talked about on the messageboard. He added that an English translation is available. I want to suggest, contrary to his recommendation, that the translation does not reflect the personality of the French Lacan and makes him seem very ordinary, less than ordinary, base, low-brow and boorish. Admittedly Lacan himself IS DIFFERENT from his earlier seminars, but that is an entirely different issue. I welcome feedback on both issues 1) the deformation of the English translated Lacan in Sem 20 and 2) the Changes in Lacan himself throughout the decades of Seminar giving, i.e. Sem ONe up through Sem 20 for exam^le... Waitiiiing to hear.

- 10/23/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
rupert: The freedom of 'Blue' is provocative, yes? The freedom to refuse abdication of responsibility, which returns us to notions of work, 'desiring production', the 'work' of art...
jon: the Lacan of Encore does seem to have made a discovery, a bit drunk with knowledge. Boorish? Base? If you're talking of Bruce Fink's translation, the voice is masterful, exercising vernacular or idiomatic perogatives

- 10/25/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
Just re-reading Encore, there's an out-loud laugh on nearly every page (lol)

- 10/26/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
so the 'workbench' (Oz slang for bed) as alcoholic paradise, a delirious production, the work of love as a work of love

- 10/26/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
Violet, your question summons up a little tempest. But, in fact, I should avoid the wreckage on the beach and say that I receive her newspaper column (Independent Uk) once a week. As for aban-don-ment (?) - the word has much to do with a sense of Tracey's work. When an artist shows work, the artist experiences an abandonment. If the artist then gives up on her abandonment, once a week, we read boosey sentiments as a provocative extension and veil. The notion of paradise and a weekend with Tracey, prompts the question of art's abandon - articulated as the administration of jouissance. We've moved from the surrealism of dreams, passed the real to an industry and the administration of jouissance. Tracey addresses dreams and the administration of jouissance.

- 10/26/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
wreckage on the beach here: dear cs, how does one attain to the administration of jouissance, do you by which, define sanity, the 'freedom to love and work'? Can you point to some suggestive reading?

Looking at Ms Emin's 'open letters', the world of dreams is not altogether behind her, though what you idealize forms a powerful intervention as usual. Still, she'd be more likely to spend a weekend with me

- 10/26/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
No, she'd prefer to spend the weekend with me!!

- 10/26/06
Author : violet
Comment:
For the two Tracy Emin suitors, from MY LIFE IN A COLUMN dated: NOV 17/2006
"When I miss someone, it's not their face I want to see, it's their breath I want to feel and their voice I want to hear. All the photos in the world cannot make up for that. I miss you, past - come back!"

- 10/29/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
THANKS Violet, for reminding me that one thing leads to another and for caring to add something. Had worried all day that I'd be forced to explain reference to a line from Nik Loose's book ... ... a reference which has more to do with paradise and desert islands, in this case.

- 10/29/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
Sorry it's Rik Loose and the book is
'The Subject of Addiction: Psychoanalysis and the Administration of Enjoyment'

- 10/29/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
violet: she's being a tad ironic, toying with the notion of the lost object, don't you think? The ideal Ms. E...
cs: If you would talk more about 'the administration of jouissance' i might be persuaded to bow out!

- 11/02/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
letters crossed in the mail. THANKS cs- off to amazon again

- 11/02/06
Author : violet
Comment:
This is what I think is: the first step versus affecting jouissance is to loose some... of course you have to first recognize it as such and act accordingly... if this is happenning in analysis, there is a jouissance to recuperate, of the jouissance that misses the object but bears its mark -- with Lacan the plus-de-jouir, an aditional jouissance (en plus), which fills in the loss...... plus-de-jouir or recuperated jouissance in the Other... in the analyst

- 11/28/06
Author : rupert
Comment:
indeed! what happened?

- 11/28/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
(dear Admin) -if we could restore previous messages as an archive it would be so useful ... much was going on ... Violet had referred to a 'plus de jouir' and a process in an analysis. But, I wondered if the description fits only one version of the symptom? In 'DETACHED PIECES', JA Miller refers to the symptom of the signifier (joined) and the symptom which is the sinthome (detached). 'The symptom will take place in the clinic, distinguishing two modes of symptom, in the old and the new style: the Freudian and the Joycean symptom' (LacInk 28, p.30).

- 11/28/06
Author : chris sands
Comment:
dear Admin, there seem to be some technical problems. At present, the second half of (new) 'art and Lacan symposia' seems to be missing (messages 22 - 39)

- 11/28/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
Oh, and Gilles and Felix were told to 'Stop that or leave!'- so they left.

- 11/28/06
Author : jampa
Comment:
Like a dinner party, hardly remembered, where the host's charisma outshone even my dancing nude on the table while singing Iggy's 'No Fun'! At least I walk away with a trace- 'the administration of jouissamce' and its source being whisked 'downunder' (should arrive any month now) and an abiding admiration for cs. An introduction to Badiou, violet, sol, alice, rupert, paul and the redoubtable perf. Buggered if i can remember their faces... Chris and Tracey seemed to click but while he wasn't looking, she was checking me out...

- 11/29/06
Author : Sol
Comment:
oh yes! that dinner party, I had almost forgotten
i drank fra angelico (plus de lime)
and spoke too loose-ly and slipped on my tongue
(so that was you on the table Jampa!?)
it was all so virtually transient..